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New counterattack skills in 1.3.0

Do we consider the new gems VengeanceVengeanceTrigger, Attack, AoE, Physical, Melee
Can Store 1 Use(s)
Cooldown Time: 1.20 sec
Cast Time: 1.00 sec
Effectiveness of Added Damage: (170%-255%)
Requires Level 24Chance to perform a swift counter-attack against all enemies around you when you are hit. Weapon range increases the area of this attack. Requires a Melee Weapon.Per 1% Quality:
0.5% chance to Trigger this Skill when Hit
Deals (170-255)% of Base Attack Damage
30% chance to Trigger this Skill when Hit
(8-56) to (12-85) Added Attack Physical Damage
You cannot use this Attack directly
Place into an item socket of the right colour to gain this skill. Right click to remove from a socket.
Vengeance skill icon.png
, RiposteRiposteTrigger, Attack, Melee, Strike, Physical
Can Store 1 Use(s)
Cooldown Time: 0.80 sec
Cast Time: 1.00 sec
Effectiveness of Added Damage: (160%-230%)
Requires Level 4Perform a deadly counter-attack when you block. Uses both weapons while you're dual wielding.Per 1% Quality:
1% increased Damage
Deals (160-230)% of Base Attack Damage
Trigger this Skill when you Block
(2-56) to (3-85) Added Attack Physical Damage
You cannot use this Attack directly
+(0-2) to Melee range
Place into an item socket of the right colour to gain this skill. Right click to remove from a socket.
Riposte skill icon.png
and ReckoningReckoningTrigger, Attack, AoE, Physical, Melee
Can Store 1 Use(s)
Cooldown Time: 0.40 sec
Cast Time: 1.00 sec
Effectiveness of Added Damage: (115%-175%)
Requires Level 4Perform a swift counter-attack against enemies in a cone shape when you block with your shield.Per 1% Quality:
0.5% increased Area of Effect
Deals (115-175)% of Base Attack Damage
Trigger this Skill when you Block
(2-56) to (3-85) Added Attack Physical Damage
You cannot use this Attack directly
Place into an item socket of the right colour to gain this skill. Right click to remove from a socket.
Reckoning skill icon.png
to be Trigger Gems? According to our definition, Trigger Gems are support gems that activate other linked gems, while the aforementioned counter-attacks are active gems that trigger themselves. Although they do have the Trigger keyword, the support trigger gems do not. If it were up to me, the new gems do not belong on this page. But what do the others think?--Climmels (talk) 19:40, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

That's a good point. If we don't consider these skill gems "trigger gems", then we need to figure out what how to classify them. If we do think they should be referred to as trigger gems, then we need to rewrite the article to account for that. I haven't seen the new skills in game yet, so I don't personally have an opinion either way as of now. —Vini (t|c) 22:09, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
The original six gems now have the trigger keyword. I think, as a keyword, trigger should describe all 9. This is similar to the way totem (or trap or mine) keyword works: the keyword is on totem active skills, and also a support which makes other active spells into totems. --Qetuth-(talk) 10:45, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
Also, Category:Trigger Gems should be moved to Category:Trigger support gems, and this page should probably be moved to Trigger skills I think. --Qetuth-(talk) 02:58, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Needs description of "multiple trigger gems" - ie, can they trigger simultaneously, etc

I believe I have actually seen this discussed elsewhere, but that information should be here when players come looking for it. SonOfSmak (talk) 00:52, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

I have added clarification of the v1.2.2 restriction on trigger supports, but not sure how clear my wording is to others. Also changed the example spell to Cold Snap (as the first cooldown spell I thought of) now that Enduring Cry can't be triggered. --Qetuth-(talk) 02:58, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, that's pretty confusing ("Since multiple trigger supports cannot support the same attack skill"). I think you might mean something like this: "A single attack skill cannot be supported by multiple trigger gems..." (I don't know if that is true, but it should definitely be described here, as that is what I came looking for...); and "A spell that is cast as the result of a trigger cannot itself set off another trigger" (although again I don't know if that is actually true, I'm just offering a clearer wording).
I started to fix up using your line and ended up rewriting most of the intro. Hopefully that is clearer. --Qetuth-(talk) 05:48, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Is it possible to spawn totems with a trigger gem?

Does anyone know if it's possible to spawn totems with a trigger gem? Someone added info to Cast when Stunned Support that it's not compatible with Flame Totem. Is it the same for all trigger gems and all totems? I've checked both Trigger and Totem pages, no info about it anywhere. I'd test it myself but can't play PoE on this PC sadly. --Amongalen (talk) 10:34, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

It is not possible. I put Flameblast, Cast while Channelling and Searing Bond on a link and Flameblast was not triggering any totem casts. Furthermore, Searing Bond was possible to self-cast. --DarkUnknown (talk) 11:42, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
You cannot. A helpful way to think about it is that you can only cast spells with "Cast when X" trigger gems; raising a totem does not count as casting a spell. Some totem skill gems have the 'Spell' keyword on them, but that's because those totems cast spells themselves. —Vini (t|c) 13:33, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
Just as I've thought. I guess it is not possible for totems to trigger any gems themself as well. Am I right? For example when I have flame totem + curse on hit + some curse, it won't work, right? --Amongalen (talk) 15:04, 4 February 2017 (UTC)