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Incorrect Numbers

The Zana Char seems outdated.

My Zana is 7 and had a Level 73 zone today in a rota and was kicked for "scamming"

--Livejamie (talk) 04:16, 10 March 2018 (UTC)


Hi, probably the map zone zana spawned was lv 73 right? but the crumbled laboratory is lv 74. The zone that is listed here is the crumbled lab, not the map zone. The map zone can spawn +- 1 lvl or so based on the crumbled lab :)

Integration

This page could be integrated into http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Masters#Reputation_and_Favour later once enough values have been found. Until then it might be better to leave it separate so that many people can contribute without having to search through the whole 'Masters' main article to find the right part where to enter the values. //Hurri04 (talk) 22:46, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Overleveled penalty

There are reports of a penalty similar to that for XP when overleveled, except based on the master level. I would actually recommend only tracking dailies and dividing by 2.5. --Evil4Zerggin (talk) 20:35, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes, that seems to be the case. I've quickly created a plot of the values so far and there seem to be a few anomalies: http://s7.directupload.net/images/140910/vk78u2oy.jpg
There clearly is a trend for the graph to curve upwards in the higher area levels (meaning that the differency between x0 + 1 is greater than x-1 + 1). I think it's save to assume that these values were taken under the same conditions.
The values for area levels 21, 32 and 61 however might belong to a second curve which runs only a bit below the main one, possibly meaning that there is a multiplier of some kind involved.
Unless GGG decides to give out the information about the penalty, reverse-engineering the rules for these calculations might require a lot more data. Sadly the input only seems to be very slow... //Hurri04 (talk) 21:35, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Clarification

For clarification, we want just the regular (master found in the wild) mission values and NOT the daily mission values. Correct? 1050five (talk) 22:26, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

From what I've experienced there seems to be no difference between a master in the wild and a master from a party member's daily mission. For your own daily mission you have to divide the point difference by 2.5 of course and round it in most cases. //Hurri04 (talk) 03:47, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Speculated values

I added some speculated values based on existing values to fill in gaps in between. They are marked with '**' and probably also need veryfication to make 100% sure, although I don't really expect any differences from the base values so far. //Hurri04 (talk) 03:35, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

New values as of 1.3.0

Since in the 1.3.0 patch the amount of reputation and favour gained per mission has been increased, here's a reminder that old values have to be updated. Hopefully it will also be possible to find some more values and complete the table. Hurri04 (talk) 15:46, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Reverse engineering

After having added some more values (v1.3.1) I tried some reverse-engineering. Here is the result using standard Excel trend calculation. The result is without doubt an exponential function based on the area level. I do not know how to solve the equation precisely, so my proposition is : reward = A * EXP (B * area level). Best guess from Excel : A=273,16 and B=0,0528.

--R2d2 (talk) 16:18, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

I think that your result does not fit on low numbers because they get less exp if their level is high and the area level is low. Doing a Haku in normal Mud Flats if Haku has level 7 will give you like 0 Haku exp, although you'd get like 300 exp with him if he was on level 1. I believe your function is accurate somewhere, but it's missing a parameter. Maybe something could be done after finding values for same level area for various level masters and extrapolating that too and merging the two formulas somehow (multiplication might work). The values on the table are quite chaotic and contradictory, clearly not updated very well, I'd try to extrapolate it myself if I had better data. --DarkUnknown (talk) 07:41, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback. This formula can not take into consideration other game mechanics like experience penalty.
  1. There is no data for all the ML and all the AL, so I cleaned the old values and merged the new values from all ML to get that graphic. Of course for low AL and high ML the function alone can be inaccurate if there is a "penalty factor", I guess we have to add the penalty factor in a second step, after calculating the "theoretical" reward, haven't we ?
  2. Regarding the different ML, I discovered in the wiki table that the same reward is granted for different ML, it is based only on the AL. The recent figures I added to the table, especially for ML4, were exactly the same than those already in the table for ML5 and beyond. But this is only true from AL30 and beyond. I do not know if the figures for AL<30 are the new ones or the old ones. If there are the old ones, is it normal they are underestimated.
  3. I think we should separate the 2 problems : getting the correct graphic for all ML, considering only AL, and then trying to devise the penalty factor depending on the ML
  4. I will continue to update figures with all my encounters from now on :-) In the current league I will have only figures for ML>=4 and AL>=50 but I will reconsider it in the next league.
I also would like to know how the AL is defined for daily missions ? At ML5 and character level 60 I get 52/53 AL ...
--R2d2 (talk) 09:49, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Cleaned and interpolated data

Latest update : R2d2 (talk) 13:19, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Data used for the reverse engineering above, and the interpolated data with the formula.
Not taking into consideration the penalty for low level.
It seems that the low AL figures are the old ones.

Cleaned data from wiki versus reversed engineered figures
Area level Master level 1 Master level 2 Master level 3 Master level 4 Master level 5 Master level 6 Master level 7 Master level 8 Estimation
1 288
2 217 304
3 320
4 249 337
5 252 356
6 266 375
7 279 395
8 293 417
9 439
10 323 463
11 339 488
12 515
13 373 543
14 391 572
15 410 603
16 430 636
17 450 670
18 472 707
19 745
20 518 785
21 542 828
22 873
23 594 920
24 621 970
25 1023
26 1078
27 711 1136
28 744 1198
29 777 1263
30 1331
31 1264 1404
32 1388 1480
33 1388 1560
34 1556 1645
35 1734
36 1743 1828
37 1844 1844 1927
38 1951 2031
39 2141
40 2183 2258
41 2308 2380
42 2440 2509
43 2645
44 2726 2726 2788
45 2940
46 3044 3044 3099
47 3267
48 3444
49 3587 3631
50 3828
51 4000 4035
52 4223 4254
53 4457 4485
54 4705 4705 4705 4728
55 4965 4965 4965 4984
56 5239 5255
57 5528 5539
58 5832 5840
59 6152 6152 6152 6156
60 6489 6490
61 6844 6844 6844 6844 6842
62 7217 7217 7217 7217 7213
63 7604
64 8024 8024 8024 8017
65 8459 8451
66 8917 8917 8917 8917 8917 8909
67 9399 9399 9399 9392
68 9906 9906 9906 9902
69 10439 10439 10439 10439
70 11000 11000 11000 11004
71 11591 11591 11591 11601
72 12212 12212 12230
73 12865 12893
74 13552 13552 13592
75 14275 14275 14329
76 15035 15035 15035 15106
77 15925
78 16789
79 17699
80 18659
There seems to be a weird gap between levels 29 and 31. No information about the influence of level difference can be learned from the table, not even if it really exists (it did before the experience gained was increased, but does it exist now?). It's hard for me to collect data, I rarely play the temporary leagues and all my masters except Leo are on level 8 (and Leo is useless for this purpose). I'll see what I can do, but don't expect much. --DarkUnknown (talk) 15:12, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
No problem, for my part I never played in the standard league ;-) I've already added more values (AL36, 49, 56, 57, 58 for ML 3, 4, 5). We should have the CL (character level) to devise the level difference, I have started to record this, but that would require a different template. And it will help devise the generated AL for daily missions. Do not mind the gap and weird low level figures, as I previously stated, those figures must be the old ones (when compared to the estimate). New variables from those stats : A=260,22 and B=0,0535. --R2d2 (talk) 13:19, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Experience progression outdated as of 2.0

It's also conflicting with the newer values that can be found here - http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Forsaken_masters#Reputation_and_Favour . Not quite sure how to go about obtaining the new values. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Futhead AvocadoCake (talkcontribs) 15:14, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

I've updated the values. They can be found in XPPerLevelForMissions.dat in the content.ggpk if anyone wants to know. Please also make sure to sign your comments using
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--OmegaK2 (t|c) 20:49, 18 October 2015 (UTC)